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Toshiya
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 Posted: Wed Apr 30, 2008 6:54 am Post subject: Valid ideas for improvement of Safety No "Bashing" |
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Jean,
I know it is not a safe sport what we are doing so as other sport.
Anyway, F1 is always looking for safety even Nascar does that, too.
We used have just a wall and fence around the oval track but we have soft wall now. I think fences got taller and changed the design, too.
F1 often change track configuration due to safety issues.
We haven't had race yet with new track and we really don't know what will happen. They may be OK with current set up or we might need to do something.
I just like the idea of reading posts from exprieced karters.
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Doug Stempfley II
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| Posted: Wed Apr 30, 2008 10:57 am Post subject: |
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I do like Francis's idea. We as a Bod have discussed and even spoke about allocating $$ to purchace interlocking barriers.
Plus I like the idea of widening turn 7 like Jean mentioned. This will change turn 7 a bit but make it a more racey. a good change in my mind. But Francis's ideas would be the first thing that needs to be done.
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Francis Whaling
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| Posted: Wed Apr 30, 2008 12:10 pm Post subject: |
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Jeans idea has already been brought up by me in previous posts and needs to be done but 4 0r 5 feet is overkill, jackhammer that rediculous turtle out of there and add maybe 2 more feet of asphalt/concrete then build a proper curb, couple that with the changes I mentioned in my previous post and you have a turn 7 that is as safe as it ever will be.
Somebody mentioned car tires before as a barrier, not a good idea unless you like getting eaten alive by mosquitos, the standing water found inside tires left laying around is a perfect breeding ground for mosquitos, and I for one hate mosquitos with a passion.
My opinion take it or don't
Francis
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Doug Stempfley II
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| Posted: Wed Apr 30, 2008 12:51 pm Post subject: |
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once again the voice of the common man!!!!
Loks like a subject for Tuesday's BoD meeting.
LYNDA....If your reading.
Can you add this to the agenda of the meeting on Tuesday.
I will also send you an email as well.
Thanks
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Eric Bradford
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| Posted: Wed Apr 30, 2008 4:07 pm Post subject: Gravel & Tire Barriers |
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Granted, we aint no F1...But did anybody else see the clip of Kolvokaine's (sp?) full speed run through the run off, gravel & finally 3/4 car deep into a stacked tire barrier that was maybe 12 rows of tires deep? This was last weekend's Spanish G.P. Gosh, if we only had the deep pockets of F1! Amazing... Driver is preping for the next race, unscathed!
Gene- Were you around when G & J had the Monza turn #3 ?
I like Francis's idea of sand or water barrels, It is always fun to drive the downtown interstate confussion in Cincinnati early Sunday a.m. and see what the 3 a.m. Yoofs did.
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John Horn
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Sorry,,,been a little busy, and havn't been on here in a few days,,,so let me start back with some replys.
Ray,,,I did quietly approach the officials of the club, then spoke out at a board meeting, and now very loudly on this forum.
Responses,,,from board members......
1. I think it is fine
2. They will just have to slow down in that turn. (Cause we are racers, and will automatically slow down,,,yeah right)
3. Well, why don't we just see what happens.
4. I don't think they will really get over the fence.
5. We don't want to give up the room in the pits by moving the fence back.
Now, I have not talked to the track owner, but was told by another concerned member that he would be talking to the track owner.
If anyone would like to get a real life point of view, I will be glad to walk out to the turn and show you my real life concerns with that turn.
The run off is down hill, so the kart will go airborn at that speed.
The kart could then dig in, and flip...guess what,,,over the fence, my concern here is not only for the racer, but for the spectator, or the people working on the karts in the pits, not paying attention to the kart flying at them at 50 mph in the air.
What if the kart stays on the ground?? ok, then we just slide under the fence, anyone looked at the bottom of that fence??? Very sharp ends on the bottom, don't need the graphic here do we?
Fence needs moved back, sorry, no other real world fix for safety
Turtle needs to be ground down, if it hasn't been already while we had the equipment out there??? (seems like that would have been a smart move)
Some type of barrier put in place that is stronger than haybales
I have to disagree with you Francis on one thing, tire barriers are great, and all you have to do, is get out all of the hole saws that we all have in the trailer, and drill holes in the tires for drainage, problem solved, no mosquitoes. |
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Toshiya
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| Posted: Thu May 01, 2008 6:10 am Post subject: |
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John,
Those comments are not from all of the borad members and some have different views from what you posted. You only posted respnses which against your opinion.
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John Horn
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| Posted: Thu May 01, 2008 7:22 am Post subject: |
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Toshiya, you are right, I did only post the negative responses, but to be honest, that is all I heard. It seems that if someone on the board has something to say in regards to changing what we have, they are being awfully tight lipped about it.
I agree Francis, the tires would have to be bolted together, and I posted about that a long time ago, don't really want to take the time to go back and find it.
My point is, that it would take very little effort to do just a little more to ensure the safety of our kids, families, friends. I for one, have seen people die directly in front of me at a racing event, and I really don't want to see it again. I know that sh-- happens, and this is racing, and it is dangerous, but I also know that every precaution should be made, if not, who is responsible if and when something does happen.
I know that if we get through this weekend with no incidents, there will be plenty of people pointing fingers and laughing at all this BS, and saying the sky is falling, the sky is falling.
BUTTTTTT, I also know, that if nothing happens, it just makes the racers a little less cautious the next time, and the next. I pray that nothing ever happens to anyone, cause I really enjoy my time at the track, and all the people that I race with every week, and I would hate to lose any of you. |
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Francis Whaling
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| Posted: Thu May 01, 2008 7:39 am Post subject: |
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John Horn wrote
"BUTTTTTT, I also know, that if nothing happens, it just makes the racers a little less cautious the next time, and the next. I pray that nothing ever happens to anyone, cause I really enjoy my time at the track, and all the people that I race with every week, and I would hate to lose any of you."
Amen John, couldn't agree more, this is the reason I have been so outspoken about this subject. I have taken so much abuse for my feeling on this matter but it will all be worth it if none of my friends get seriously hurt over something that could have been fixed with a little effort and some thought.
Francis
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Doug Stempfley II
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COOL I HAVE A PLACE TO TAKE ALL OF MY OLD KART TIRES NOW.
I AM SURE THAT THERE ARE MANY TEAMS THAT WOULD BE HAPPY TO DONATE THIER USED TIRES TOO.
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Toshiya
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| Posted: Thu May 01, 2008 9:49 am Post subject: |
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| Doug Stempfley II wrote: | COOL I HAVE A PLACE TO TAKE ALL OF MY OLD KART TIRES NOW.
I AM SURE THAT THERE ARE MANY TEAMS THAT WOULD BE HAPPY TO DONATE THIER USED TIRES TOO. |
I have 3 boxes of MG-Yellow and 4 boxes of YHC, too.
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| Posted: Thu May 01, 2008 9:52 am Post subject: |
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I think we have tires for the wall now.
now someone that knows how to drill holes in them and bolt them together.
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| Posted: Thu May 01, 2008 9:56 am Post subject: |
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Don't get all excited gentlemen I believe car tires are what are most commonly used not kart tires, but good thought though.
Francis
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John Horn
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| Posted: Thu May 01, 2008 10:40 am Post subject: |
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| I thought you were supposed to put you old kart tires in the dumpster at home? |
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Kathy20
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| Posted: Thu May 01, 2008 5:06 pm Post subject: |
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| I would suggest that some of you make a phone call to your club president and ask him what plans are underway to improve safety. THEN voice your opinion based on what's happening instead of speculating. Seems more productive to me. |
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Doug Stempfley II
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| Posted: Thu May 01, 2008 6:00 pm Post subject: |
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I have a feeling that this will be discussed at Tuesday's meeting and our Prez will be able to voice as well as all others.
Hopefully some kind of program will come from the dialog
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John Horn
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| Posted: Fri May 02, 2008 5:16 am Post subject: |
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Toshiya, not one of those great big dumpsters,,,I call the big wheeled trash can a dumpster, and no, I don't throw them away at home.. tried that, the trash man caught me, and threw them out.
Kathy, I have heard the decision, made by the BOD, was to put hay bales in that turn, on the right side, to funnel it down, and make you slow down, that is what I was told by board members, that were involved in the track walking meeting at the last race.
ok,,,nice try, buttttt, there's my big butt again, all you are doing by funneling them to the left, guess what, forcing someone over the turtle on the left..................
Come on get a grip here, no offense Toshiya, but you even put in your post that we havn't even raced on it, we need to see what happens??? I don't want to see what happens. |
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Francis Whaling
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| Posted: Fri May 02, 2008 7:11 am Post subject: |
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1............. Move fence
2.............install proper barriers (ie, interlocking plastic with pillows in front)
3.............remove by any means necessary the turtle on the inside of turn 7.
4.............install 1 to 2 feet of new asphalt/concrete on inside of turn to widen the turn a little.
5.............build proper curb on the inside of the turn.
There it is folks the way the turn should be fixed to make this turn as safe as possible, this isn't brain surgery people it's common sence and to try to fix this turn any other way will be like trying to put a bandaid on a compound fracture, it will look good at first but when you look closer you will see the futility of it.
I have spoke my peace on this subject and since I don't race all I have to do is not stand down there to watch races and I will be perfectly safe, it amazes me that a select few individuals on this forum will still argue against the people that only have their well being and safety in mind, but hey it's a free country I guess, I just hope nobody gets hurt this weekend or ever.
My opinion take it or don't...........at this point I really don't care.
Francis
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RayM
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| Posted: Fri May 02, 2008 7:50 am Post subject: |
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Nowhere in this thread have i seen where users or karters are arguing against safety ideas that have been brought up and SUGGESTED .
I have not heard or seen anyone say that we are not doing anything about the safety concerns.
I do think that board is looking closely at all ideas being presented.
Some of them ARE being acted upon as we speak. Some of the ideas need to be evaluated before there can be implemented to insure that they are right and safe for the karters.
All ideas need to be emailed to the BOD members so that they can be discussed by the BOD at the next meeting.
and even if that is not being done, hopefully the few BOD users here can copy some of the posts here and email them to the rest of the BOD.
Despite what is implied here on this forum , the BOD and club and the track owner DO TAKE the karter safety very seriously.
| Quote: | By Michael Boone
1. We have to approach the track owners/clubs from a positive way
that we're not trying to knock them down but make it better and safer for the karter and for them.
How and why??
Try saying to a track owner/club "I've got something that scares and or concerns me and I really need your help! could I tell you whats on my mind and see if there's something you can do. I saw the video of this crash and couldn't believe how close he got to that stake holding the fence do you think we could move it back or find something else to support the fence what do you think??"
Get your point across but leaving him (the track owner/Club) to make the decision,
make suggestion not demands and NEVER threats. |
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Toshiya
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| Posted: Fri May 02, 2008 7:55 am Post subject: |
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| John Horn wrote: | | Come on get a grip here, no offense Toshiya, but you even put in your post that we havn't even raced on it, we need to see what happens??? I don't want to see what happens. |
John,
I was just sarcastic about it.
I don't want to see anyone hurting from this either.
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