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Jean Stafford
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Does anyone know whether the "Local Club" is running front whee; brakes or not?
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Doug Stempfley II
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What does the rule book say?
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Gary Osterholt
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Doug,
It depends on what rulebook they use...which is the worst thing about TAG right now.
Stars - No Front Brakes
TAGUSA - Front Brakes in TaG Heavy and Road Racing
WKA - Front Brakes Are Allowed
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Toshiya
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Don't we go by WKA rules?
But we use TaG USA weight rules also.
I am very confused about TaG anyway.
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Jean Stafford
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| Posted: Mon Feb 04, 2008 3:35 pm Post subject: |
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 Still unsure Guys.
OVKA doesn't run TaG weights; doesn't run WKA TaG rules; isn't road racing. 
That said, what do I do to run the TaG class as defined by OVKA??? I'd like to run some Road Races at Mid-Ohio, but I'm getting sick and tired of taking things off, then putting them on one or two weeks later.
Tires are bad enough, as is weight if I choose to race ar KRA. Now I don't know what to do.
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max viney
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| Posted: Mon Feb 04, 2008 6:45 pm Post subject: |
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Gene,
We will be using Tag USA rules at Tag Senior weights and allowing either Dunlop SL4's or Bridgestone YHC's if the rule bood passes in tomorrows board meeting. Stay tuned.
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patrick slattery
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so if that is passed, are front brakes not legal?
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max viney
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Pat,
Per 2008 Tag USA rules 3.3.3, rear brakes only.
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Gary Osterholt
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Max,
Don't know how you guys are going to be able to use WKA insurance. If it's true that the TAG in WKA allowed front brakes for insurance purposes.
I know at my height/weight I'll never get into another TAG kart without front brakes.
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Jean Stafford
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| Posted: Tue Feb 05, 2008 8:22 am Post subject: |
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Well, here's the story direct from TaG USA.
Section 3.3
http://www.tagracing.net/rules.html
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max viney
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Gary,
Good point about the WKA insurance, I will bring that up in tonights board meeting.
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Jean Stafford
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Gee Max, there didn't seem to bne an issue when the class wass oniginated. Why stir the pot mow??
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Gary Osterholt
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Gene,
I don't think Max is stirring the pot.
TAGUSA stirred the pot last year by at first allowing front brakes in all classes. Quickly changed that to just be Heavy, 4Stroke, TAG Shifter, and Road Racing.
WKA stirred the pot this year by allowing front brakes in TAG.
And from some posts on EKN and other places. The reason for allowing front brakes this year in TAG was from insurance purposes.
Max,
Another thing to look at is to have something like KRA is doing. Where they allow front brakes with an added weight of 20lbs. TAG is a great class for some of us big guys, but I know I spent less on brake parts and pads when I was running my front brakes in TAG compared to when I had to run rear only.
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Jean Stafford
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| Posted: Wed Feb 06, 2008 8:44 am Post subject: |
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Gary,
Remember the "Good Old Days" when the effort was to achieve consistant rules between the tracks??
I understand that THE "Local Club" was to meet last night to discuss "Rules" for 2008. Among them \was to be a suggestion to run TaG Sr, weights instead of the added 20#, as in 2007. Haven't heard the outcome as yet, but I feel this added weight cost us in participation in TaG class for 2007.
Personally I think an additional brake system, whether it's front, or an additional rear system is just good common sense for the speed generated. But, that's just me!!
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Jean Stafford
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OK Max, et al.
The BoD meeting is over, and I've been told the "Rules" would be on the website soon. It's been over a week since the meeting and I still don't know if we are running TaG Sr. weights or not, and how much weight I need to add for the option of additional safety offered by FWB.
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And there are some others that are watching with interest, also. 
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Jean Stafford
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| Posted: Wed Mar 19, 2008 9:23 am Post subject: |
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Gary:
I recently heard that the TaG class will run Masters weights, and add 20$ if you chose to run FWB. Also was the issue of allowing YHC tires to race with the SL4 boys. Issue failed, it's SL4 or you don't race.
Once again, with a chance to gain new members from other facilities, we fail to compromise in any manner in order to accomodate those drivers. With year end awards based on participation, WHY?
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Gary Osterholt
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| Jean Stafford wrote: | Gary:
I recently heard that the TaG class will run Masters weights, and add 20$ if you chose to run FWB. Also was the issue of allowing YHC tires to race with the SL4 boys. Issue failed, it's SL4 or you don't race.
Once again, with a chance to gain new members from other facilities, we fail to compromise in any manner in order to accomodate those drivers. With year end awards based on participation, WHY? |
Gene,
I don't have a say in this, as I won't be at any OVKA races this year. At least to race.
But it's a double edge sword when it comes to tires. Spec Tire or Not to Spec Tire. The day and age of spec tire, which in my opinion is good. You can't allow two tires. Period. I have a feeling the YHC's would be faster than the SL4. So with that said if you do allow both, you'll force the class to use the faster tire.
This is club racing, where you have to do what's best as an whole. And if it's ok for one class to allow two different tires, where does it stop? Why isn't it ok for other classes, etc.
Gary
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Be careful Gary about posting stuff that makes sense.
 
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